Shout Down and Drown Out

State Republican Party Chairman Giovanni Cicione will be out of town– does he want other people to crowd into a health care forum and disrupt it? From Projo.com…

State Republican Party Chairman Giovanni Cicione said he hopes angry protesters will flood Wednesday night’s town hall meeting hosted by Rep. James R. Langevin.

The 6 p.m. event at the Warwick City Hall is the first opportunity most Rhode Islanders will have to comment on and ask questions about health-care legislation moving through Congress. The meeting had been planned for the Warwick police headquarters, but Langevin’s office moved it to City Hall in anticipation of a large crowd.

“This is the clearest example in decades of the government exceeding its authority. I think this should make people really angry,” Cicione said, noting that he would be out of town, but that conservative groups — such as the Rhode Island Young Republicans and Rhode Island Tea Party movement — are mobilizing their forces to attend.

“This is America, we have First Amendment rights to protest,” Cicione continued. “The citizenry has the right to go out and shout at the top of their lungs.”

Am I wrong in thinking the strategy is to drown out discussion? Maybe I’m misinterpreting what he said. Maybe he doesn’t mean that an opportunity for citizens to speak to Rep. James Langevin, who knows the health care system from the patient’s view, must be hijacked and turned into a photo-op.

“It’s not fair to people who come with serious questions and want to get answers to have it totally theatrical and non-communicative,” said Sen. Jack Reed, who said he preferred to host a “tele-town hall” in which constituents could discuss the explosive issue by phone.

But Cicione disagrees with Reed’s basic premise.

“The town halls were always about political theater intended to garner support,” Cicione said. “These town halls were never about debate. We’re not stifling debate.”

It sounds like Chairman Cicione wants to make sure a debate doesn’t break out.

I went to a gathering at the office of Senator Reed. I wish the Senator had been there, because the advocates of health care reform were civil, prepared and had important things to say about how the current mess affects their lives, no only medical bills but employment prospects and family security.

You’re not going to be able to hear an 80 year old woman say that she’s worried about Rhode Island’s poor children when some college Republican is shouting her down.

Maybe I’m being unfair to suspect that Chairman Cicione is sneaking out of town while trying to get someone else to do the dirty work of keeping their fellow-citizens from being heard.

It’s too bad the Republican Party in Rhode Island isn’t a real alternative. The Chairman can’t do better than incite and run off somewhere safe, that passes for leadership.

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10 thoughts on “Shout Down and Drown Out

  1. Is it possible that these “angry protesters” are passionate because they’ve read the bill and are informed. Although it is over a 1,000 pages long. Here’s a list of my concerns. I plan to be very vocal if my concerns are not addressed.

    Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

    Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

    Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill – YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

    Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

    PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill – HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

    Pg 58HC Bill – Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

    Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to you banks accountsts for electronic funds transfer

    PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community orgs (ACORN).

    Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.

    PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill – Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private health care plans in the Exchange

    PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

    PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill – Govt mandates linguistic appropropriate services. Example – Translationfor illegal aliens

    Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan

    PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans. #AARP members – your Health care WILL be rationed

    PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill – Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

    pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly

    pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill – Doctors/ #AMA – The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.

    Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST automatiocally enroll employees into pubic option plan. NO CHOICE

    Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care for part time employees AND their families.

    Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll of 400k & above who does not provide public option. pays 8% tax on all payroll

    pg 150 Lines 9-13 Business payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn’t provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

    Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable health care according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc
    ome

    Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NON-RESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay for their health care)

    Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of health care Administration (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records

    PG 203 Line 14-15 HC – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that

    Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

    Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same

    PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.

    PG 265 Sec 1131 Govt mandates & controls productivity for private health care industries

    PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

    PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!

    Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

    Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission- Govt will penalize you.

    Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investmen t. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

    Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

    pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

    Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. Health care the way they want. Rationing

    Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv. Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan

    Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people!

    Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy – Telehealth Advisory Committee. Can you say health care by phone?

    PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

    Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

    PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death

    PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends

    Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will be used frequentlpatients health deteriorates

    PG 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

    Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

    PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

    Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

    Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

    PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage

    Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services

  2. Dear Don’t Tread: Please provide a link or other access to your primary source document on which you are basing all of these citations. Thanks.

  3. Kiersten:

    Good luck getting proof out of one of the right-wing shouters.

    Although it will be amusing to see is s/he comes up with any links beyond Fox News and Dick Armey.

  4. Honestly Jesse, proof? Just google HR 3200 and read. No proof needed. Just a week or two to read 1,000 pages

  5. DToM:

    And five seconds to find the GOP talking points that you’re using to twist the language of the bill.

    Rationing, ACORN, end of life decisions, insert government into marriage, etc.

    None of it is true, it’s all spin — and not even good spin; it’s all based on lies.

    All you’re doing is parroting the lobby-bought-and-paid-for attack lines to mess up the debate (not solve anything or offer constructive solutions to insuring 47 million people), so that when the bill actually does come up for a vote later this year — and passes — the GOP screechers will declare their “victory” in “exposing the truth.”

  6. To Don’t Tread On Me:

    Wow! That’s a whole lot of concerns to address. Were you this diligent when Bush shredded the Constitution to violate your civil rights and mine? How about when he cut taxes for the rich and dragged us into a phony war that took Clinton-era surpluses and turned them into mind-numbing deficits and, oh, by the way, has already killed more brave Americans than Al Qaeda ever did?

    Why google the bill? That evil Federal Government you’re so afraid of posts its own, unabridged pending legislation. The link to HR3200 is below:

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

    If you prefer the Cliffs Notes talking points from FOX, Limbo or Lyndon LaRouche, fine, but please don’t try to pass off your (their) “interpretations” as fact.

    I attended Congressman Langevin’s town hall, and what did I hear? The same “passionate” citizens like you who claim to have concerns they want addressed wound up booing and shouting down the Congressman when he tried to address them. I can’t begin to imagine what you do want, but it’s clear that you don’t really want answers or, for that matter, a real discussion.

    sikkivit

  7. “The” bill is up on the web, all glorious 1100 pages or more of the silly thing, silly if it was not so dangerous to anyone who gets ill or anyone foolish enough to want to be a medical doctor. In actuality the behavior of Americans is rather tame compared to what democracy is like in places like Britain, France, Greece, Israel, etc. “Civility” is the hiding place of cowards in most of the democratic world; I find the C-Span broadcast of Parliment in London most encouraging–democracy lives somewhere. One also should recall how vocal Americans have always been on most issues; the protestors of today, taking their representatives from the Senate and the House to task are totally in line with our history. One suspects there is a deeper meaning to this, however, and the medical issue, is just a symptom of rapidly growing discontent with an administration that has been a colossal failure from its inception. Issue after issue of substance has been miserably handled by a rudderless ship of state where the troika of leadership: Obama, Pelosi and Reed, are pulling in three different directions, but always to the left. The lack of intellectual substance cannot be hidden any longer I suggest. Mr. Obama’s misses, from “doctors ripping out tonsils,” to “surgeons cutting of legs of diabetics, to make money,” to missteps such as “cheap genetic drugs,” to the old campaign flubs of, “not being sure if I have visited 57 of our 59 states,” to “we need to do away with all forms of carbon,” are all catching up. In Mr. Obama, we seem to have as untutored a mind as we look for in Mr. Biden (but still cannot find). Lincoln’s remarks about fooling some of the people some of the time, but not being able to fool all the people all the time ring true. That fact may well be the base cause of distress and unhappiness so apparent at these public meetings. Americans seem to be discovering that we are all Joe the Plumber and enough is enough.

  8. Donald-you’re in trouble here.Forget the health care reform bill for a minute-you failed to use hushed and reverent tones when speaking of Obama.On this blog,that is politically incorrect.
    His generalities from the campaign trail aren’t translating into wrkable practicalities.The cap and trade bill,which would have had the net effect of bumping up already high utility prices for the average consumer,has sputtered to a halt in Congress.
    Health care has been presented as a bill laden with thousands of details that people have serious reservations about.They aren’t(the protesters)being driven by talk radio/tv or insurance companies.Maybe some are,granted.But that still leaves a lot of people who have legitimate worries about their health care future.
    The stimulus bill still hasn’t reached the point where success or failure can be determined.
    The test balloons,such as re-instituting the assault weapons ban(useless eyewash) floated through subordinates such as Eric Holder,have caused Obama to draw back when opposition was worse than he contemplated.
    He did get Sotomayor confirmed over Republican opposition.
    His foreign policy is as yet unformed.He meets first and plans second is the way it looks.Are he and his Secretary of State on the same page?That is a serious concern.
    I will now be accused of repeating Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck talking points by the usual suspects because they have nothing else.

    • Ninjanurse – Thank you!

      On a related note: Tried to attend the Whitehouse/Reed event in West Warwick (for which I RSVPed on Whitehouse’s website last week – doing so, however, does not reserve one a place in the room, but that’s a beef for another day) but by the time I got there, the room was already filled to capacity and no one else from the line (which was wrapped around the building) could be allowed in unless someone else left.

      I’d made about 100 copies of the West Warwick disorderly conduct statute excerpt that ChasWalker so kindly posted on RIFuture, and included the web address of West Warwick’s Municipal Code on the flyer. I tried to get them inside the building for distribution, even though I couldn’t get in myself. They may or may not have made it to the welcome table.

      Oh, well, I thought it might make the job of both the organizers and law enforcement easier if they could just hand a piece of paper to only the most disruptive members inside which would serve as both an explanation that such behavior is unlawful, and an easily distributable warning to those who would flaunt the statute.

      A girl can dream…

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